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Bo Clawson · June 22, 2004 - 09:16 EST #1
MORE obviously needed a successor when I moved to OSX, and finally in 2003, Inspiration updated to OSX.

Inspiration doesn't have the presentation and some other features, but it certainly handles images and tree diagrams.

I find Inspiration invaluable to keep extensive sets of information which I can find easily in outline form (like this and Macintouch's series of comments on outliners).

Tobias Weber · February 17, 2005 - 18:19 EST #2
In the last few days I read the ATPO columns 2003.9 to 2005.2 and copied 71 sentences from the text and comments. Of these 15 were (mostly historic) facts new to me and 11 valuable IT wisdom. 12 listed cool features of extinct and 9 of available outliners.

5 regarded the philosophy of certain products and 19 were on the general principles of outlining. I think those 34% contain the goal you set yourself, and would have liked them even better with less reference to reality. People not used to outlining need pure theory to imagine their perfect tool.

Then they have to learn AppleScript to get it, by combining applications with little suport for data exchange :-(

So far my experince in using trial versions to compile the list above. I'm looking forward to reading more of yours!
Hank Roberts · October 5, 2005 - 13:24 EST #3
I'm very happy with ShadowPlan (which has both PDA and desktop computer support).

It's not MORE 3.11 -- which I still also use under Classic under OSX, because, like WordStar, my fingers know how to use it freeing my brain for thinking.

I wish more programmers also wrote piano music -- they'd understand that having consistent notation (clefs, bars, rests, notes, half notes, quarter notes) to tell what keys the fingers should hit and how is what makes the piano a really useful instrument.

Imagine if each piece of piano music you wanted to play used a different system of notation, and also required a different set of keystrokes to make a given sound.

That'd make a piano as hard to use as a computer is now -- switching between one program and another wastes a huge amount of brain effort.

On the piano, once you learn how, the keystrokes are run from spinal reflexes, faster than the conscious brain could possibly interpret and direct the fingers.

No chance of that with software.
bowerbird intelligentleman · December 6, 2005 - 16:14 EST #4
did you say wordstar?
you still using wordstar, hank?
where can i get a copy?

wanderer · March 12, 2006 - 16:33 EST #5
to the columnist, a suggestion: why don't you put up a poll that can survey the most popular or best outliner programs? Many people don't have time to read through all the articles to find the best program. Thanks.
Ted Goranson (ATPM Staff) · April 12, 2006 - 12:01 EST #6
wanderer --

The whole point of ATPO is that there is no "best" outliner product. It is the class of program where imagination meets the machine. The whole idea is to free you to exploit your strengths, right?

It may be a plod because I'm not a great writer, but I hope the ATPO series helps readers discover some of the shapes of their mind and how it might fit with what is available.

Best, Ted
Eric Arentz · June 7, 2006 - 22:10 EST #7

Could you Please do one of your great comparisons, this time between Ulysses and Boswell?


Alexei Marcoux · September 26, 2006 - 02:04 EST #8
May I request revisiting NovaMind, the most Cocoalicious of the mindmapping outliners? Its recent 3.1 release has several new interface improvements and features, making it worthy of in-depth ATPO treatment.

With all good wishes,

François Granger · October 31, 2006 - 13:42 EST #9
A listing of users declaring wich outliner they use...
Tony Sturges · December 28, 2006 - 17:24 EST #10
I know (think) that you are doing this primarily as a Mac-oriented project, and I am using Omni Pro; however I also use a Linux box (ubuntu- k) and it would be very nice if you'd mention whether an outliner you're describing also has a Linux port. Many thanks.
Peter · March 9, 2007 - 15:25 EST #11
I miss the ATPO column. I would be glad if Ted would continue the series. Can you tell us something about it?
Norm Beazer · June 2, 2007 - 20:04 EST #12
I would much appreciate an update, even a full feature, on Mori. There is just nothing in my opinion that comes close to its versatility and ease of use for ordinary everyday purposes as a snippet collector, yet it seems to have slipped into the doldrums in some respects lately. Its democratic approach to development is also its downfall, and the author now seems to have just too many ideas to draw upon, such that its future direction is looking a tiny bit uncertain. Already, I find myself unable to take advantage of the latest changes, as it seems to be diverging a little from my personal use paradigm, and some "features" are not easy to grasp. Thanks, and welcome back.
Will · January 18, 2008 - 15:04 EST #13
I've been waiting for this article to post and it feels like eternity. This is a much anticipated post and we can't wait until it is published Any status? Will you end our suffering soon? Thanks

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